I fully expect to be defriended over this...

[timehasa_way]

This is adorable. Once again, haters to the left.

I have this theory...that women are insane.

Okay, not really. Well, maybe.

Here's the thing. There's obviously been an uproar in fandom over the engagement/marriage thing. Now, I agree that it's out of line and childish. But I disagree that it's only made this fandom terrible, and that this fandom in particular is batshit. Because, if you've ever been in any kind of fandom before, you know that there is batshit in every fandom. I've said it a million times, but this fandom is still awesome. It's just got its allotted share of crazies.

I'm used to stuff like this happening, as sad as that is. The same thing happened in the Backstreet Boys fandom when they started getting engaged/married. There was epic hate for women that the fans obviously didn't even know, screaming, crying, anger, depression, threats. You name it, it happened. I've never understood it, and, really, it's not something you should be used to. But I wasn't exactly surprised when it happened in the Supernatural fandom. And yes, slash existed at that time in the BSB fandom, too, so this reaction isn't really enhanced by J2.

I just have to wonder, what is it that makes women do this crazy shit? Because, let's face it, you never see men obsess over hot female celebrities to the point where they wish ill on their boyfriends/husbands. Of course, you have the occasional psychopath, like the guy who shot the President to impress Jodie Foster. But those are rarities among men. I mean, I'd hate to say it, but women in fandom (any fandom) kind of make a case for the old idea doctors had back in the day that women were just hysterical basket cases. That's not to say all women in fandom are like that, but there's always a good portion of them around. And it's been going on for ages now. Women went crazy when they found out John Lennon was engaged. I mean, this is old.

It all just makes me wonder. What started all this? Why do women overreact and get so dramatic when it comes to male celebrities? Also, do they do it just because that's the reaction that's encouraged now? Brian Littrell of BSB was by far my favorite at the time of his engagement/marriage. When he got married, it was on the news, and my grandmother woke me up just to tell me. She stood back and had this air of, "...Well?" As if I was supposed to just flip the hell out. As if it was expected. People I talked to after she told me, whether family or friends, would say, "You know Brian got married, right??" And then they'd do the same thing. Sit back and look at me, as if expecting some sort of shitstorm. I just kept thinking, "What do they expect me to do?"

But an overly immature reaction was what they expected. Because other women in my family and some of my female friends would've reacted that way and did react that way with their favorite male celebrities. It's almost treated like the norm. Why is that?

I've never understood this. I still don't understand it now, with Jared and Jensen getting engaged and married. I don't understand the vicious hate for women the fans don't even know, to the point where fans can't even stand to hear their names mentioned (uh, that's pretty bad for your health). I just...don't understand any of it, really. Hell, I write J2, and I think they make for an awesome slashy couple. While I wouldn't be surprised if they ever ended up as one, and I certainly wouldn't mind it, I'm willing to accept that they're perfectly straight and are getting happily married. Because I don't know them. And they certainly look happy enough. But of course those women won't accept that. They'll say that the boys look miserable, that the girls are evil, and there's a new thing now in which the video I posted up above is part of the whole cover up of J2's gayness. Yep, there's apparently no point to that adorable video aside from them "proving" that they're straight. Because, you know, when two actors get engaged, it's obvious that no interviewer would ever take the opportunity to ask them about it and post a video online. That's balderdash!

...I kind of just wanted to say "balderdash."

Anyway, I'm just curious to know what makes women this way. I'm curious about what goes on in their brains and how much of it is encouraged by people they know and society in general. I'm just curious, because it's obviously a recurring theme. Thoughts?

Comments

[aldehyde.livejournal.com]

first off, that video IS adorable. they both look so happy and giddy and [nerdily relieved that their women said yes, awwwh] and it put a smile on my face.

and secondly, i've never understood that reaction either. my RL friends and i talk about it quite often, b/c we're all baffled by it. when any celebs i like get hitched or find someone they love, i feel happy b/c hey! this person i admire has found someone THEY admire, and this is great news! now sometimes there's unwarranted disappointment/irritation if the other person in question is someone i don't like very much [for whatever reason] but it's never been to the degree i see exhibited by others.

i mean, what? did these batshit fans think THEY were ever going to end up with j2? or brian littrell? sorry ladies, that was NEVER going to happen. i think a lot of this hatred is b/c in some corner of their minds, these women think they DO have a chance with the stars they admire, and when their bubble gets burst, they rant and rave and act like loons.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Agreed! Although, I've always wondered about the argument that the fans think they actually have a chance with the guys. Just because it's so bizarre, haha. I mean, I know there probably are women who think like that, but my question is how? lol

[dugindeep.livejournal.com]

Best moment in BSB fandom:

"Kevin and Brian from the Backstreet Boys are engaged ... and not to each other." PFFFFFFFFFFFT.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Hahaha, oh, crap. Yep, I remember that. Oh, people. Makes it even funnier that they're cousins. See? Even incestuous slash is nothing new! XD

[heartsonwings.livejournal.com]

I often find myself wondering why people care so much, but I guess it's all the same. Some people hate the girls others hate the haters.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

I actually find it kind of interesting, because it's clearly a feminine thing. Like, I'm sure you could actually make this a research paper and trace it way, way back. I kind of wonder what you could pin it all on, whether traditional beliefs or the media, or whatever else.

[stacyleanne.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't care for their personal life. All I care about is the show with the pretty actors.

I'd say it's because the fans are lonely. The ones without boyfriends, I mean.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

I'll admit to caring about them, just because they're so damn adorable. But I wouldn't ever take it to that level, you know?

I'd say it's because the fans are lonely.
Could be! I didn't think about this much until this morning, and now I find it pretty interesting, lol. I almost wanna research it. XD

[painting-walls.livejournal.com]

I think some of the fans who took Jared's marriage poorly are people who didn't like Ruby v.2.0. Some people seem to think bad acting = bad person. Fandoms can be such black and white places, no matter how old the people in fandom are.

Bsb <3 I never really disliked their fianceés or girlfriends. I might have been slightly "jealous" in the way teenage girls can get, but I never really felt like some of my BsB friends who seemed to hate the girls with passion. And besides, gotta admit that at some point I had this hugest crush on Kristin Richardson... (Really rocked my world to see her in SPN)

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

That is true, there are some people who reacted badly because they didn't like Ruby. Just another thing I don't get, haha. You're right though, those people seem to have trouble finding the shades of gray.

BSB! :D I never disliked them, either, but I remember seeing a ton of hate back in the day. People said some really nasty things about Leighanne and Kristin.

And besides, gotta admit that at some point I had this hugest crush on Kristin Richardson
Haha, she is pretty awesome! XD

[painting-walls.livejournal.com]

I really disliked Genevieve as Ruby, I think Katie did it so much better, but as for Jared marrying her, I don't really care. I gotta admit to be bit of a tinhat and have this soft spot on thinking that Jared should have gotten together with Jensen, but I don't see that as a reason to start bad mouthing her. I don't really care for her acting, but I don't think that has anything to do with their personal lives.

The hate towards BsB girls was probably even worse that this is. I think especially Leighanne got it really bad. And she really seems like a sweetheart. Thank God that has gone down over the years.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I thought it seemed like Genevieve had a more difficult time with the character than Katie did. Though with both of them, I ended up really liking them in their respective season finales...and then they died. Haha, so much for that! But I have to say that Gen's Ruby's death was so awesome. I wasn't a hardcore Ruby hater by any means, but just the way that scene went down, it was impossible to not get into that. It's pretty much how I'd wanna die on Supernatural. Badass!

You're probably right about the hate for the BSB girls being way worse. And, yeah, Leighanne totally got the worst of it. I remember reading things people said about her that just made my jaw drop. It was pretty harsh. And violent. I guess it's a good sign that even those fans eventually got over that. I'm sure that, in time, the Gen/Danneel haters will get over it, too.

[painting-walls.livejournal.com]

I really think that biggest problem with Gen's Ruby was that wherein Katie's Ruby seemed like a real badass Gen's really wasn't... Most of the time her scenes just fell flat compairing to what the character should have been like. But I get it, it's really hard to play a character someone else has done before and I think that if she had been first to play Ruby, it would have been easier to tolarate things in her acting that didn't quite fit with the character, but having already had someone to outline us what Ruby is like, it really just didn't look good.

But yeah, the death scene was cool. Except that I mostly liked it because it meant that she wasn't coming back... And because it was fricking awesome that Dean held her while Sam turned the knife in her gut.

About the BSB girls: I think that hate towards Leighanne really rocketed after some of her old modeling pictures were found online. Don't know if you remember, but at least in places I used to surf, people really seemed to decide that having had some bit tacky pictures taken instantly made her a total slut really bad gf for Brian. But I think that people would have hated their girlfriends no matter who they were...

(My english seems to have gone for a vacation today...)

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

I do remember that about Leighanne. People already hated her, and then when they found the pictures, that hate skyrocketed! Good to see that it's pretty much gone now, as far as I've seen. Most people seem to love her and Brian together now.

[painting-walls.livejournal.com]

I think Baylee had a lot to do with people accepting Leighanne. The hate clearly seemed to lessen after he was born. Maybe people saw then that they were serious. And besides Brian and Leihanne are really cute together. (And Baylee is really adorable.)

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Yes! He really is such a cute kid. They're an adorable little family, lol.

[cherrymmm.livejournal.com]

Crazy emotional fans have been around forever. Remember all the fans that cried and fainted when they greeted the Beatles in person? The crying really freaks me out. When you are so overcome by your emotions just being in the vicinity of a celebrity that you cry, scream, hypervenhilate and/or faint then something is wrong. That's why I can't ever go to a con of any kind. I would just be cringing the whole time at all the over emoting and then I would feel like a hypocrite because I AM an avid fan, just not emotionally invested in their personal lives.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

I understand emotional responses in general, to a point. I understand feeling a little overwhelmed around celebrities, just because what they do in their careers (movies, music, etc.) evokes an emotional response, and I think that's what draws people to them in the first place. And I understand it to a point, even going to cons and everything, where it's just sort of a fun thing and you're really appreciating what those people are doing. I went to a con last year with a friend, and it was really just a fun time, and we got a little bit nervous around the actors, but, like...what I'd hope would be considered normal, haha. I mean, just the kind of reaction you have when someone that you've just been watching on TV is suddenly in front of you, because it is a weird feeling. It's like, you're aware that they're just people, but there's still this part of your brain that suddenly goes, "Oh, hey, you're real! Wow!"

There were a couple of those fans, like there are at cons, but for the most part it was fun times. But it's those extreme fans that I don't get. And beyond that, it's really more the negative reactions that I don't get. I guess because it seems more of a waste and just more detrimental to your own health to spend so much time and energy hating people who are so far removed from you. It's kind of bizarre, and it's the complete opposite of "innocent until proven guilty." It's weird to see people just looking for something to hate, even if the people they're hating on have given them no reason to do so.

[cherrymmm.livejournal.com]

I don't understand mindless hate either. Negative emotions take so much energy to sustain and I just don't have that in me. If I'm pissed I yell for a hot minute and then it's done. I can't hold on to it.

I can understand the nervousness you are talking about when meeting a celeb just cuz sometimes they really are awe-inspiring. But for me that's fleeting. The celebrities I have met, and there have only been a few by chance, mostly just made me feel awkward for a second and then I was just like "Dude, what's up?" and they were cool.

Then again, I can squee all day online about the hotness of hotass Jensen and be filled with lust and I might sound like a crazy person too!

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Hahaha, nobody can blame you for sounding that way when it comes to Jensen. Just the other night, I was talking to a friend for quite a while about how much of a hotass he is. It's just not right. XD

[enablelove.livejournal.com]

You know, I'm kind of curious too. It doesn't make sense, yeah I'm not a big fan of the marriage, but that's for Jared. I couldn't be happier for Jensen. That's a me-thing hah

And how ADORABLE are their proposal stories?!

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

SUPER adorable!! :D

[cassiew08.livejournal.com]

I wish I had an answer for why some women act that way.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Me too!

[applepie-x0.livejournal.com]

I really, really highly dislike Danneel and it has nothing to do with the fact that she's with Jensen. At all. It's just the way she acts and her fucking voice and the fact that she goes around kicking puppies and being a famewhore-skankface. ARGH. But whatever. That's obviously MY own issue.

I don't really give a shit about all this wedding stuff - I believe in J2 - I always will .. I like my own little bubble of epic gay love :D & if everyone would leave me alone in that bubble i'd happily stay there forever ;D

And I think all of this "ohh everyone hates J2's girlfriends" thing is bullshit. Because of all the posts i've seen with happy happy J/G and J/D stuff. Right now it seems like everyone is like 'WTF HATERRRRS?! GO DIAF' .. when hardly anyone is actually hating. Just my opinion, of course. And I get kind of pissed off at this topic .. I don't even know why .. I wish I did so I could fix it :| it just does. lol

I like Gen though [just not as Ruby ;P] :) and although I have my doubts about that marriage lasting (just because of the timing and the shotgun!wedding style) I do wish her the best. With Jared. Or without. *shrug*

And this is insanely long and ranty and i'm sorry :P i'm a bit pissed off and stressed out at the moment and it may come out in this post. That seems to happen xP

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Oh, I don't think everyone hates them. There has been a lot of positive stuff out there, which is great. But there's definite haterade out there, too, just like there is for gfs in every fandom. That's what I think is so weird, and I just wonder what it is about women that makes them so...well, crazy, lol. They're so ready and willing to hate, and it's all based on rumors and gossip. At this point, I could make shit up, post it, and claim to be "in the know," and suddenly a bunch of women would believe someone else is abusing animals and using other people to boost their own reputation. It's just so easy to manipulate people (in the case of fandoms, specifically women) to believe so strongly in negative things. And I just wanna know what it is that makes us like that. I mean, it's really kind of bizarre. Or it is when it seems to be more prevalent in one sex. The crazy haters in fandoms would make for one interesting study, lol.

[applepie-x0.livejournal.com]

Bahah. True. I guess. It would take a loooong time to study ;) there's so much hate!

Even if the stuff about Danneel kicking the dog isn't true, she still annoys me ;) especially her stupid twitter. FAMEWHOOOORE.

I don't know. Somedays I think that joining fandom was the worst mistake i've ever made. It's always so negative and .. it puts people against each other. Like J2 fans vs. non-J2 fans. Danneel lovers vs. Danneel haters. :|

I JOINED FOR THE SHOOOOOW. Sometimes I wish it could/would go back to focusing ON THE SHOW. ;D i'd be much happier that way ;D but it seems like right now I can't even check my flist with J2/J2girlfriend-wedding gossip or stories or theories or pictures. *headdesk* it's like .. a never-ending cycle of wank.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Oh, I never regret joining fandom. I think the positive stuff still far outweighs the negative. We have way too much fun here for it to not be worth it!

[redteekal.livejournal.com]

You bring up salient points. But these are all things I have wondered about in real life too - in terms of the women I deal with in my line of work - education. There are some out there who I just kinda stand back from, throwing quizzical glances at - with the occasional raised eyebrow and an expression that probably reflects a look akin to watching a fasincating psychosocial experiment being conducted in front of my very eyes. Because these (to me) completely irrational, massive over reactive responses seem to come from women and I cannot fathom it. How can such an intense hatred be borne out of someone you hardly know - I mean sure you can dislike someone without knowing them. You can have suspicions caused by behaviours they've exhibited. But intense hatred for someone you've never even met? Bizarre to say the least. And yes it does absolutely NOTHING for the case of women when they behave like this which I think is what pisses me off the most when women behave like this. It seems absolutely immature and akin to junior high school level behaviour. Teaching 13 - 15 year old girls has convinced me that these women have never really evolved from this level of maturity (or immaturity) as the case may be. So I think the vids are adorable - and it's blatantly clear the guys are smitten and I think highly enough of them both to trust their judgement - so good luck to them and all the best!

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Yes, AGREED on all of this! ♥ I'm sure you have seen some amazing things in your line of work where this is concerned. I don't think I could handle that job, haha.

[sheira66.livejournal.com]

No defriending here...you're right this IS adorable...after all our boys are REAL people...and we wish them all the happiness in the world....

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Thanks! And yes, they deserve to be happy! :D

[corbyinoz.livejournal.com]

Alright. I think I'm going to regret this, but I'm going to try to offer some kind of explanation, theoretical and full of wank as it must be (because I almost always am).

You have to take the fandom stuff in context. And the context is, that women are essentially powerless, more times than not. So women are encouraged - through popular discourse (films, and especially soaps), through fairytales (that have been horribly doctored in the last two hundred years to reflect this powerlessness - ask me sometime about the *original* Red Riding Hood, a story of female cunning and bravery) - to believe in a rescuer. The Sleeping Beauty ideal. The kiss from the prince that will Take Them Away From All This.

So here's one reading of this craziness. This fantasy is rife. And encouraged, through so many narratives we see every day. And so women are enculturated to believe that they are not the proactive agents in their own fate, someone else is.

When you believe that, as all too many women do because the reality is their bosses are far more likely to be male than female, their fathers are far more likely to be in charge in the house than their mothers, the boys/men they want to date get to do the choosing or the humiliating, the fantasy of rescue from powerlessness becomes huge. And since there is no-one in their immediate life who is going to do it, so many women pin their hopes on their Daemon Lover.

So the impossibility of Jared Padalecki rescuing them is pushed to the background and they bask in the limelit dream that he will one day save them. The minute, of course, he has a real life girlfriend - or worse, gets married - that fantasy is shattered.

The other thing to bear in mind is, women have been better educated and have more rights than they've had for perhaps 900 years (they did okay in the 1100s. It's been a long, downhill slide). So no, they're not settling, thanks very much, Lori whatsyerface. So they're looking for someone who meets all their needs, and the men they find themselves surrounded by just ain't doing it for them. That's another reason why seemingly intelligent, educated women become fixated by celebrities. Onto these untouchable stars they project their longing for The Other. And they're perfectly happy to acknowledge it's a fantasy, until they're troubled by reality. And then they're disappointed in their fantasy, because they were doing so nicely, giving their Other a male who could never really compete with their own womanly virtues. Even if they were too smart to *really* think they'd ever get together (shhh! No, they never thought that. Never. Really).

Basically? I think the Western world is severely fucked up in its gender relations. I think women are still getting by far the worst of the violence, the poverty, the degradation. So women *need* fantasy more than men do. Because women *still* believe they need men and so men still have the power over them. So women find these fantasy men and latch onto them as they drown. Of course they're more invested.

I wish it weren't so. And it makes me sad to see hatred against Jared and Jensen because some of these women are *so* deeply invested in their safe fantasy that they can't bear to see the two of them actually have heterosexual relationships. While J2 exists, their fantasy exists. (I think this is where mpreg comes from, but that's for another time).


I don't know if I've offered anything worthwhile here - I can talk about this stuff so much easier!

Good on you, hon - great question.
Corby

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

I don't know if I've offered anything worthwhile here
You definitely have, this is an awesome comment!

It's funny that you mentioned soaps, because I thought of those soon after I posted this. They're geared towards (and so popular) among women, and they're probably one of the worst factors in this. Not just because of the powerless women who are depicted in them, but because of the ones who are hysterical and exhibit this kind of behavior. They usually end up being the most popular characters, even if they're known as villains.

I spent a lot of time at my grandparents' house when I was younger, and my grandmother watched hours upon hours of soaps. And there were plenty of women on the soaps like these women in fandoms, who thought they were meant to be with a certain male character, and when he chose someone else, they went insane. They did everything they could to get rid of the other woman and split the couple up, even if they had absolutely no right to do so. I remember when that awful, awful show Passions first started. I'd go over to a friend's house almost every day after school, and it would be on. There was this completely insane girl Theresa who swore that this guy Ethan was just perfect for her, and when he decided to be more than friends with someone other than her, Theresa lost what was left of her mind. She did some massively crazy things to try to make Ethan hers, and it was so far out of line. (Granted, the whole show was nuts, but that's another story.) And when I said that Theresa was insane? My friend immediately responded with, "But her and Ethan are meant to be!"

...What?

The worst part is that (I think) Theresa and Ethan did end up together at some point. I could be wrong, because I didn't exactly follow the show much. But I am fairly certain of it. if I remember correctly, they ended up having a kid together. Which made so many Passions fangirls endlessly happy. And that is so damn sad.

I could probably delve into how the female friends that I had who watched that show and were all for Theresa went on to fail spectacularly in their love lives, but I won't. Just know that it involved chasing after guys already in relationships (with other friends, even) and believing everything those guys told them, until their hearts were completely broken and their common sense when it came to relationships was pretty much nonexistent. Not that I can blame that all on Passions, but it's funny to see that correlation there.

This all reminds me of your previous posts about women on Supernatural, and how the complaints about them in fandom are pretty unwarranted. There have been more strong women on Supernatural than most shows that are popular among women. I think we're lucky to have it.

This also got me thinking about how there are certain things geared towards men that feature strong women. And how I have male friends that prefer to see strong women in what they watch or read. I'm not sure how prevalent that is in society as a whole. But it's pretty strange if we've ended up in a situation where women are immersed in this world of weak characters, and men are looking at just the opposite.

But I have a feeling that this is a conversation that could go on forever, so I'll stop myself now. This comment is already pretty lengthy. But thank you for your input! It's very interesting and insightful! :)

[corbyinoz.livejournal.com]

It is a fascinating topic, isn't it? But whenever I see OTT behaviour from women, I tend to think of the quote that 'anorexia is a sane reaction to an insane world' - ie with the overwhelming attention on how women look, and the extraordinary focus on skinniness, anorexia makes sense. You will only value me if I'm skinny? Then I'll be skinny, by god.

A world that foists rescue fantasies on women, disempowers them, abuses them, kills them, should not be surprised if women react with fantasies of their own.

That's interesting, your comments about the soap you watched. I find them to be iniquitous in any number of ways. I remember watching Days years ago, and a father sees his daughter come into the room, all dolled up, and he says, "You're so beautiful. I'm so proud of you." And this scene was repeated by other fathers in other scenes over the course of time I watched it. The message unmistakably was that to be valued and praised by the important men in your life, you had to be beautiful - something that no woman can ever guarantee or really do much about. How vulnerable that makes us, if we buy into that message! And of course there's an enormous commercial machine helping us to buy into it every day.

[siouxsmn-3745.livejournal.com]

This is my first time commenting in your journal, and I do so on this topic. I think you'll be defriending me!!

Honestly though, I see everyone's point who has posted so far. I mean, based on the demographics of what the ratings show, then the average age of the female fan who watches the show is around 30 years of age. Are the hormonoes of those few crazed fans so screwed up that they don't know what they are saying or doing? I stand back and read what is being said on some of the lj accounts, the gossip sites and even IMDB boards and can't believe that these are supposedly sane and rational adults.

What does really anger me is when those few fans (like you sweetie and those you responded) dare speak up with their impartial opinion are blasted to hell for being impartial and not taking sides. It's one of the reasons why I don't post very often to personal "rants".

I'll be honest here with everyone. I'm a tinhat myself but am not so crazed that I'm going to start bashing Gen or D because they dare marry the boys. I'm also a Sam/Jared fan so sure, I was a bit disappointed to see the wedding actually happened because who doesn't hold a secret fantasy that they would marry each other or me one day. But I'm over it.

Too bad some of the others can't as well.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

Haha, no problem there! I can be kind of terrible at commenting...and friending, actually, lol. I have a bunch of people I haven't added back yet, but I'm also trying to keep my flist manageable. But I love any input you all can give me!

I stand back and read what is being said on some of the lj accounts, the gossip sites and even IMDB boards and can't believe that these are supposedly sane and rational adults.
Yes, exactly. Someone did mention already that there have been a lot of positive comments, and there really have been. Actually more than I expected. And that's great. But there are still a lot out there that are just...mind boggling, really. And you're absolutely right about the age thing. There are women I've seen being incredibly immature and saying some really terrible things, and then I see that these women are in their 30s or older. And I just think, "Really??" It almost comes as a shock when you see how old these people really are. And you're expecting a teenager.

Thank you for commenting! And no, you're definitely not crazed. You're over it, and you just enjoy the fun that comes from tinhatting. Nothing wrong with that! :)

[nightowl81.livejournal.com]

Well... I realize this is not the only place it's happening but I certainly haven't seen a fandom like this before. I've never been so confused as I am among SPN people.

Maybe it's beacuse the we've seen those two grow closer together, we've witnessed the way their friendship evolved, we've also seen them manifesting their closeness, we've been meeting them at conventions (they do so freaking many of them), we've been supporting this highly underrated show that turned out into a cult and a success because of it's fans... I think some of us feel very protective of that. Like mothers or sisters.

I don't get that massive hysteria though, so I can't even try to explain THAT XD

To me, the saddest thing is when it turns out it doesn't really have to be about Jared and Jensen. When it's more about how some people feel entitled to just know everything and how they lack some basic sense of humility. It's all about respect. Respect for another human being, their decisions and their life. Might be a matter of age, upbringing, culture... I have no idea.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

You're right, there is a certain protective air about it all, since the show is highly underrated and depends so much on the fans. And you're right about people's sense of entitlement. I've had conversations about that before, just in regards to the show itself. There are complaints about the show that have bugged me, because it's like people can't just sit back and enjoy a good story anymore. They have to have their input, and they feel like they should get what they want out of a show, even if the writers have better ideas than they do. Which I like to blame on reality TV, but I guess, in Supernatural's case, it also stems from how much influence the fans have had on the show already. Not that that's a bad thing. It's awesome, and I love that the writers have sort of made us a part of it all. It's just that now, people feel like they have even more of a right to bitch about what they think is wrong with the show. It's kind of that whole give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile sort of thing.

I guess it's not that much of a stretch for that to bleed over into the guys' personal lives. And you're right, we have seen them at conventions a lot, and they have been pretty open about things, which is great. For those of us who are respectful and can show a little restraint, it just makes this whole thing that much more fun. You just also end up with those people who feel like they're entitled to even more.

I'll be honest that I care about the guys, and it is fun to feel like you're getting to know them in some way. But I've also always loved it when celebrities and people like them manage to keep their lives as private as possible. I saw quite a few comments when the news of Jared's wedding got out about how people didn't even know that he and Gen had been dating. And that actually made me smile, haha. I'm just always happy when celebrities manage to get away with things like that. It's just like, "Good for them!" You know? They're entitled to their privacy, and it's better than being all over the tabloids.

[corbyinoz.livejournal.com]

You wrote: I'm just always happy when celebrities manage to get away with things like that. It's just like, "Good for them!"

Yes! It's that sense of entitlement that astounds me - like people have a right to know what goes on in their bedrooms.

For me, I fall in love with characters, not actors. So no, I never do imagine I'll be marrying Dean any day. And I think having that strong distinction helps enormously not to fall into this erotomania.

I am delighted for them both. I don't for a second think the women are beards - I mean, what the hell for? The show has one more season, then J2 will be apart - who will care who is doing what to whom then? It would make some kind of sick sense back in season two, maybe, when the show was struggling - but win, lose or draw they have S6 in the bag now. Why would they each need a beard now??

Jared and Gen have known each other for at least 14 months, Jensen and Danneel for about 6 years. Doesn't sound rushed to me. And didn't Jensen, in particular, look so damned sweet and almost embarrassed and a bit excited in that clip? And I'm so glad he wanted to keep the details to just him and Danneel - nice.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

win, lose or draw they have S6 in the bag now. Why would they each need a beard now??
Good point! I agree, the idea that the girls are beards is pretty ridiculous.

And didn't Jensen, in particular, look so damned sweet and almost embarrassed and a bit excited in that clip? And I'm so glad he wanted to keep the details to just him and Danneel - nice.
Yes! SO cute! :)

[nightowl81.livejournal.com]

It's like people can't just sit back and enjoy a good story anymore.

God, EXACTLY! That's exactly what I think. I have no idea what more do they want from the boys and from the creators. They have accepted the fandom, they indulge us in any way they can... *sigh*

I don't know, maybe I'm being naiive and silly again but I really do belive they all work hard and that they love us and love what they do and I can feel nothing but gratitude. I'm not saying Jared and Jensen are perfect. But I've never seen two young actors so devoted, humble and honest. I know honesty is very relative here, but still. They've all given me so much, personally, that I feel no entitlement to demand more.

And yeah, I adore J2 - it's become a huge part of my online life and I'd be so damn happy if it turned out they're together. But then again - they've become such a wonderful friends, brothers, family, that it's beautiful enough already. I have nothing against either Gen or Danneel. I just really want our boys to be happy. I will probably never find out if they are but I hope they've found their way and their place in life. And I think that's all we can do for them and all they want form us. Our support.

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

I don't know, maybe I'm being naiive and silly again but I really do belive they all work hard and that they love us and love what they do and I can feel nothing but gratitude.

I don't think that's naive or silly at all! Unless I'm naive and silly, too. Because I feel the same way. :)

[ala-tariel.livejournal.com]

Uhm, call me stupid, but what is "balderdash"?

:D

[timehasa-way.livejournal.com]

You're not stupid! From Dictionary.com:

bal·der·dash /ˈbɔldərˌdæʃ/ Show Spelled[bawl-der-dash]
–noun
1. senseless, stupid, or exaggerated talk or writing; nonsense.
Origin:
1590–1600; of obscure orig.

Hehe :P

[ala-tariel.livejournal.com]

Waaaa...thank you! :D
Now I'm completely "stupid" in balderdash way. Hahahaha